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1. Katlyn loves us and cannot stay away.  Her statements are in bold, my responses follow.

From: Katlyn
Date: 3/25/10

One last thing...It is going to be very difficult for us to discuss the truths of the Bible if one of us believes the entire Bible is completely God-breathed and inerrant and the other does not.  Since you believe that parts of the Bible are human errors or just human opinions which can be pushed aside easily without really thinking about what they are saying, then we should not discuss the Bible any further.  One word of advice....I would be very careful when picking the verses you choose to be errors.  You may be throwing out the very words God is using to show you His Truth. 

If you begin with Torah as ultimate truth, you will have a solid foundation.  When you understand Jesus changed none of it, you will have a guide.  When you see that Paul and others may have said things incorrectly (in conflict with Christ/Torah), you will be free of doctrine.

And if you know for sure that the Bible is erroneous, then how do you know if the exact words of Jesus were written in the gospels?  Couldn't Jesus' words be human errors as well since Jesus didn't actually write any parts of the Bible? 

No.  Since the words of Jesus agree in all respects with Torah, we do not question His doctrine (it is not truly His doctrine, but His Father's, that is, Torah) nor His words of underpinning and exposition.  But if He did not say these things, then the man who wrote Christ's words must be the Son of God.

Why would God make it so difficult for people to understand the Bible and who Jesus is? 

First, did you not ever wonder why the Jewish people are secured from extinction?  So that they may translate and interpolate the Hebrew Bible for the world.  Second, the Bible is difficult to understand because only the wise may know.  Isaiah speaks of  those who may kindly be called ignorant fools (Isaiah 6:10), and Jesus reiterates this disgust (Matthew 13:15).  One might even say that Jesus didn’t want them to understand (Mark  4:11-12).  Now, in Acts 28:27, Paul uses this saying to seemingly give the Gentiles some type of blessing (but this was already given when he said this) and/or take it from the Jews (but Paul had no such authority).

Why would He allow a book to be written which has so many errors and opinions within it that it is anyone's guess which parts are God-breathed and which parts are not? 

There is no mystery.  Torah is rock-solid.  There is one God, one Law.  Anyone who agrees with Torah is agreeable.  Jesus, in this respect, was perfect.  This is provable.  In fact, the Gospels tells us that the Sanhedrin had to find false witnesses to prosecute Him since they had nothing on Him lawfully. 

Why would he allow only a handful of people in the world to understand its meaning as you say? 

I think the opposite is true.  It is the Christian religion’s opinion that no one may disagree with their doctrine.  If Jesus came today and told the church they were teaching and behaving incorrectly (see Revelation 2-3), they would call Him a heretic.  The real question is: Why is the church right and Torah wrong?

Why would God send his Son to die, but then hide the actual truth throughout the Bible so that only a few chosen people can figure it out? 

Ah, but that is not true!  The Jews received a blessing to be chosen.  Ishmael received his blessing.  The Jews were then blessed with Christ.  The Gentiles were then blessed to partake.  Paul then differentiated between Jewish and non-Jewish Christians.  Paul then vilified Jewish teachings.  The early church (ca 100 AD) picked up on this anti-Judaism.  By the time of Constantine (4th Century AD), it was quite accepted to be anti-Semitic and anti-Judaic.  All of this is documented and historical letters attest to it.  The reason the Truth is “hidden” is because the Jews were excluded from their own religion (Christianity)!  Then, Judaism was taken to be an enemy of Christianity.  Is it any wonder that Truth is distorted when Christians refute the wisdom of the Jews and the Truth of the Torah, and Jews (justifiably) keep their distance from Christian thinking?

Don't you think that God wants everyone to come to know Him and have a loving relationship with Him? 

Unsure.  There are vessels to honor and vessels to dishonor.  It may be that some are here for some other purpose than to be saved.  You know, the Presbyterians believe that no one can come to Christ unless predisposed to that from the foundations of the world.  This predestination stance means that many people were excluded from God before they were born!  Incredible hubris on their part, I would say.

Notwithstanding, it is entirely possible to have a loving relationship with God which is one-way.  Remember, when the end comes, some who thought they were faithful by certain actions will be told “I never knew you.”  The only way to “know God” is to understand who He is and what He wants.  The Torah is your starting point... not your ending point.  Note this.

Out of curiosity, what would happen if you broke one of the laws of the Torah today but died of a massive heart attack before you got a chance to repent?  How would your sin be covered?  If you must daily reconcile to God so that you can be made right with Him, how could you possibly be "right with God" if you had not repented before you died?

First, we simply do not believe in "all or nothing."  Breaking a commandment does not overturn the good you did just as you believe that one sin does not overturn Grace.  But if one breaks a commandment without repenting, there is a punishment, although it is up to God how this will be meted, and I do not pretend that I have a panacea for all that I have done.  The Yom Kippur is supposed to settle accounts in the same way that Christ is metaphorically set by the Christians (I say metaphorically because he died as the Paschal Lamb, on Passover, not as the scapegoat of Yom Kippur).  Second, any unwashed sin would be paid in the afterlife.  The rest of what I believe on this is my doctrine, so it is not pertinent to our discussion.  Third, we believe in "degrees."  For example, Jesus tells us there is called a "highest" and "lowest" in heaven.  Now, whether this means there are ranks according to Paradise, or these are types of judgment, I know not.  Conversely, there is a "greater damnation" (Matthew 23:14).  Therefore, it appears there are degrees of punishment as well, or at least different yardsticks for determining a single punishment.  Either way, it is far from black-and-white.


Can you please send me the verses that tell us that Jesus is the Torah or the Law?

John 1:14: the Word was made flesh.  John 10:37: "If I do not the works of my Father,  believe me not."  How do you prove to Jews you're from God?  You keep the Law.  John 6:48: "I am that bread of life."  Compare when Jesus said that man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (Matt. 4:4).  Not only does this mean Torah, it is Torah (Deut 8:3).  Jesus used Torah to combat and defeat Satan.  The "Word" is Torah.  And the "bread of life" (not bread of wheat) is the Word of God.  Thus, bread = Word  = Torah = Jesus..

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